PTL I saw the light #Zibbet...by the way...do they hand out flash lights for their hidey holes?

One might think that one who has the absence of light would mean that there is only darkness to be found.
I however tend to believe that simply because one does not share your beliefs does not a dark person make of them.
Yes...there are sadly those at Zibbet who promote the message of "Get thee away from me person of darkness....anything you say can not be believed for you do not share the light we are casting out among our members" And yes it has been proven that maybe some of them don't come right out and say it to your face....but they are in their little hidden groups being told how to act and what to say. Pastor Andy at the helm of the hidey holes and even the one who was "supposedly" cast from her throne in the Z Hub is still calling the shots and directing a certain group of them on what to do and say.
A friend messaged me once about the Zibbet Hub and described the overall bunch as a "harmless group of Christian women sitting around knitting while paying games and supporting one another." And that's all fine and dandy if that were only the case.
I really believe that the reason the venue continues to lose more and more of it's long time supporters is because of the darkness that goes on behind the scenes. And we're not talking about some simple shady shit here we are talking about some serious darkness folks and in my opinion some of the most un-Christian like behavior that I have ever seen.
Some of them make it a point to go on public boards and adamantly proclaim that their Christian affiliations have absolutely nothing to do with the C3 church. And folks I strongly believe in the freedom of religion and the freedom to believe in whatever you want to believe in. Some would say..."Oh don't believe anything she says....she is a hater....she is trying to harm all Zibbeters." Wrong Wrong and Wrong. And honestly if those of us who are out here speaking out about our experiences with the venue were going to be afraid of the backlash and the real "Story starters"...we simply would have tucked our Zibbet feathers between our hiney and fluttered away to never look back on the venue. The fact is that many people did leave in silence and are still afraid to talk about it because they do not want to cause possible harm to their businesses. 
Many have wondered and wondered why a group that says they have nothing at all to do with the C3 would constantly support and defend the wrong doings of the CEO's and the members who lie about "cast off" Zibbeters. So I decided to link an article here because even if it is a long read and even if it was written way back in 2005 it is a pretty good over all summation of how they are indeed all tied together and why they are stuck like crazy glue on defending certain peeps while at the same time damning anyone who does not seem to be "growing" in the direction they have in mind for you. 
First of all I don't want any of ya'll Pentecostals to think I am dissing your religion by linking this article. 
You have a right to believe whatever you want to believe. It's just that for some reason there are certain folks in that Zibbet circle who feel that they can say what they want and do what they want and that doing so is a one way street. Newsflash....that two way street is getting wider every day..and we all know that bad people can be found in any group.
Okay so the most insightful thing to me about this article I am linking here is to take a look at the 

"Heavens Half-Dozen"group.

They are at the bottom of the article.

You will see Pastor Andy's boss and find that there is indeed a "connection" with the C3 and other affiliations with many of the religious Zibbeters who adamantly exclaim that there is no connection whatsoever. Also most eye opening are their political connections and the bank who is behind the funding of a lot of these start ups and venues.
http://www.trinityfi.org/press/GodsMillionaires.html

Okay.....the thing that surprises me most of all is why on earth didn't Zibbet simply promote the fact that they are a religious venue and run with that? Instead they took the path of denying that religion has anything to do with it and yet..they let their beliefs and convictions reap havoc among the Community Hub and beyond.  If they would have simply embraced this like mindedness (and they still could) the sellers there would certainly be reaping the rewards of many many buyers who choose to support sellers who sanctify their beliefs. The last time I looked Religion is big business folks. wink-wink.
However what is bad business and what doth a Bad Human make indeed...is a forum filled with handmaidens who create lies and cover ups against their naysayers. That's right folks. Cruise on in to that nice little Zibbet Hub where everyone is so friendly and welcoming. But if you dare to ask the wrong question or you are falling out of the like mindedness drivel...you will then find out just how nice some of them truly are.
Oh but to hear their side of the story.....they are simply being picked on and attacked by a group of bad humans and haters. Thanks to social media.....the rest of the story is out there. And it really doesn't matter who's side you are on.
The only thing that matters here is what you truly believe.
And speaking of social media I saw a quote today that I really liked.....
We never "lose" friends, we just learn who our real ones are."
Peace ya'll.

Do I still have friends at Zibbet? Yes....imagine that for a second if you will LOL!

Some would find it rather ironic that I still have friends at Zibbet. I have been rather vocal after all :D The fact is that there are a lot of people out there who have many of the same thoughts and feelings that are being vocalized but they have remained silent because they do not want to have a possible negative effect to their on line shops.
I get that and I also respect that.
I guess I would have to say to some of the people there who think "Why don't they simply leave if they don't like it and stop peeing in our Cheerios?"  I find the answer is ----That many of the people vocalizing their discontent probably still have the feeling that they got their lunch pail crapped in and are trying to rid themselves of the baggage.  There are always 3 sides to every story and muting people in one place simply means they will take it somewhere else to talk about it. A lot of issues could have very well been squashed in "Chit chat"...but we know that didn't happen :D
Quite interesting when Zibbet chimed in on Twitter and said that they had picked up some haters along the way because they are such a successful business.  What they still fail to comprehend is that a huge group of those so called "haters" actually were once very fond of the venue and extremely supportive.
So my leetle cartoon postcard from the edge parody below....I actually thought twice before posting it on the blog.  Is the image in poor taste? Absolutely.  But that is the whole point of the matter. (For those of you who may have missed it). There is a group of people in those forums who obviously condone any and everything the CEO's do.  They obviously think it is perfectly okay for the Zibbet management to put up a cartoon and make fun of an entire group of people on their business black board.  So me putting up a cartoon on my blog board should not be any different than the actions they are condoning.  Although I would have to say that I poked fun at a very small group of handmaidens within that small Community Hub.  But the fine folks at Zibbet Management chose to poke fun at an entire race of Aborigine people.
Yep some would say "My baaad" but the overall bigger picture that some of ya'll in that Hub seem to conveniently overlook time and time again............................
the BAD actions and reactions of your CEO's there.
Now say what you want about Rob Kalin the founder of Etsy.... but the bottom line is that he managed to build up the venue from within his community. That's where it all started.
Zibbet on the other hand manages to collapse the site from within the community. They have attempted to build on a premise of false promises and deception and that does not make for a good foundation.  Then when they promote and condone the type of behavior from the "Hidey Holes" and the handmaidens running the forum....what of course has happened?  Their soap box is shrinking.
I saw a quote once that said something like "It’s nice to be the biggest fish around, and an easy way of doing this is to shrink the size of your pond. "
And it has been quite amusing to see as one person leaves the Community the next person step up to the Ram Rod plate and start getting bolder and pushier and bossier as the days go by.
But here's the thing that some of ya'll there should really be concentrating on.
The real problem with the Zibbet failure is not the people out here voicing discontent with their Zibbet experiences.
The huge problem is the SILENCE folks.
The lack of interest or support. In essence the very thing ya'll are gonna need if you ever expect for the venue to grow and be successful.
Click on all of the shops that are Empty, on vacation, or have simply been abandoned. There's your real problem Handmaidens.....nope it's not the one's you call "bad-humans and haters"....it's the ones who simply don't care.
The huge amount of people who have been there done that and have simply filed "Zibbet" into their box of "Meh" and have moved on to never return.
You can promote until your little finger tips are blue and blistered but the fact is that seeing huge "bot" views from Twitter will hardly sprout into butt-loads of sales. The only way for the venue to ever be successful is for it to grow from within the community..... and at this point some of you ram rods (and Ram Rods in training) are still doing a great job at splitting what's left of that community completely apart.
Say I just realized that Thursday is
Bad Human Hug Hollah Day! hee-hee
Carry on

Dearest Zibbet handmaidens Andy's plants have seemingly sprouted and a bit more about some truly #badhumans

Yep yes sir ree...the Zibbet Circus snake oil Handmaiden side show  subject has about lost it's relevance.
But today I still find it quite interesting when original hidey hole members at Zibbet get cast away from the fold and start speaking their minds and true feelings about their overall Zibbet experience.
I mean... I still realize that for some of them thar die hard handmaidens....a SCANDAL occurs every time they even sense a bit of a whiff of wind underneath their skirts.
What I still to this very day fail to understand or even comprehend is why why why...must they make up chit and call others "bad" people/humans etc. etc. and make up lies about what has been going on for quite some time.??????
First and foremost.......
new people (if there are actually still any new Zibbeters who may be reading this today).............
come on let's face it.......
Zibbet has seemingly relied on collecting disgruntled sellers from other venues in hopes that they will eventually pay $ to become a premium seller on the Zibbet site. But the hard and sad fact today is that.............
Etsy seems to be the game in town where sellers can still actually sell some things......
and the talk about Zibbet in those forums is not at all very favorable. 
Bottom line....
not much hope of them ever getting any type of momentum like they had last Fall and essentially BLEW IT.
HANDS DOWN
BLEW IT.
Been there did that.....
went on their vacation retreat
stuck a few " post its" up on the wall
and blew it.
Of course Jonos' past connection to Dinars to Dollars and Andys' connections with how to build C3 "plants" didn't actually help matters much.
But today.....
the perplexing thing to me is this...........
why do those who once were so called "friends" and so called "So welcoming" still continue to make up and create all of those lies about former members who flounced or were bounced?
A friend of mine made the statement that it has been quite a side show on seeing how the "most recently appointed"  handmaidens have stepped up into those forums and evolved into something we never thought they could have been.
Laughable to say the least.
I recently saw this post about one asking about a horror movie from the past and to me...there seem to be quite a few Zibbet correlations  here LOL!

Old horror movie where people are turned into monsters by machine

by Drenus
(Czech Republic)

I was very young when I saw this movie (late 90s). It was during a bus ride on a school trip (I do not know why did they show such thing to children like me anyway). I do not remember the movie name and it has been bugging me since that time.

I remember only few things:

1) There was a machine operating at night with something like a huge arm that was sucking in curious people around it (and then they were mashed up into pieces and throwed away from the machine - but I am not sure about this part` maybe it is from another movie or I just made it up somehow)

2) I am 100 % sure that this part was in the movie. There was an evil guy (probably in black?) that used his device that looked like a big chair (with some kind of a helmet) to transform people into monsters (with a dinosaur-like head or something like that) using electric discharges.

The monsters obeyed the evil guy.

3) I remember escaping a group of people (4 to 6) through tunnels using a pad or something that could ride very quickly. They were hunted by the monsters on another pad.

I think that they were jumping from one end of the tunnel to another where were icicles or stalactites at the opening.

One man from the group put a spanner during the ride on the pad in a hole in the tunnel to stop the monsters behind them.

Okay..... so from the above "post" that to me could really be a Zibbet difference story LOL!  anywhoo...the part where it said
The monsters obeyed the evil guy.
This to me is what I think about when I think of the remaining Zibbet Handmaidens.
ToTaLLy Fo Shizzle!
(and can I get an Amen!) ?
All I can say about this today....
is come on those of you in the Zibbet hubs still spreading the lies and denies............
you don't have to be the monsters that others are thinking you are now acting like.
For example...
simply calling someone a "Bad Human"
does not lift you out of the Monster Pool.
Consider that for a second and by the way.....
that wind under your handmaiden skirt might perhaps simply be a brain fart......
but no worries.....
the cure for Zibberts brain farts from what I have seen lately is evidently drinking some more of that tasty Kool-Aide  LOL!
carry on dear maidens........
carry on.

Have you hugged yer bad humanity today? #Zibbet #Zibbet ram rods #Zibbet false prophets

Well here goes another one of those "You just couldn't make this chit up even if you tried" # Zibbet. 
Once they "locked" those forums down it was pretty certain that more lies and supposed's were going to start taking place but the boldness of the statements being made are quite absurd even when you realize they are coming from Zibbet-ville. 
Here's the thing.  People are not perfect. Shitty things happen and you deal with them or don't deal with them or forgive people or get forgiven but the bottom line is that life is not perfect nor will it ever be.  People make mistakes and some people learn from them. Others just keep making them and blaming everyone else for things that could have turned out differently if they themselves had handled themselves or the situation better. And others tend to start rumors and lies in order to make excuses about what is happening.
One person in the Zibbet forums has recently made a statement regarding "Bad humans" and went on to make some sort of bull chit analysis about them wanting to hurt everyone and she found it frightening.

this is a bit of what she said....
Imagine if you worked in an office with someone like this and they were fired for their behavior. If you knew they were spending so much time of their daily lives blaming others, stalking, trashing others, plotting ways to cause damage and dwelling on the past. They eventually want to hurt everyone and anyone that even worked at the same place. That is the very type whom you would be concerned would come back into the building to hurt others. It is the very same personality. It is sad and it is also frightening. 

so according to her.....people who question the actions/non actions at Zibbet are suddenly being equated to Mass Murderers? Wow.....just wow!

Well let me tell you what I find frightening....(and I found it frightening when I was a member of the Zibbet Community).  The frightening thing to me is that people making statements like the one above do have a certain amount of education.  And to me it is down right scary that they could make such stupid accusations and false assumptions and then spread it around.  Now granted...there are not very many people left in those threads conversing with one another....
But for that certain Zibbeter to make the blanket statement that those questioning the actions/non-actions of the Zibbet head honchos somehow makes them all "bad humans"... is far more egregious than anything I have read on those Twitter #Zibbet feeds.  And people (like the one calling others "Bad Humans").. who spread those kinds of lies and assumptions to me are the ones who will be standing first in line at the gates of Hell when reckoning day rolls around. (You know that place where "Bad humans" are supposed to end up?)  :=)
Here's the thing that happens when bad rumors get started and then other people start repeating them or are afraid to speak up about it.
One rather extreme example of this is that Hitler said the Jews were bad humans. Hitler said that all Germany’s problems had been caused by the Jews. Many people believed him. And we all know how this one turned out when he used them for a scapegoat . 

And those left in the Zibbet Hub should do themselves a big favor and realize that they are not helping their businesses in any way shape or form by acting this way. (Spreading false rumors in vain attempts to justify the wrongdoings of the CEO's.)
Who knows?  Maybe the one talking about "bad humans" fell into a huge vat of Kool-Aide and hasn't been able to come up for air in order to supply a better amount of oxygen to her brain.  #someone certainly isn't thinking very clearly.

Peace ya'll... and no worries.... I believe there is a place in everyone's heart for "bad humans".  I am just losing patience with some of those handmaiden humans who think that wearing a grand poohbah hat and trying to ram rod the Zibbet Hub is their biggest calling in life.  (Oh and I guess they get a pat on the head every now and then from A and J and it makes it all worthwhile)  hee-hee